PADRE LIVIO I was really struck by what the Madonna said about the third secret, which concerns the sign on the mountain. You seers said that it will be a visible sign, an indestructable sign that comes from God. However, she also added, «Hurry and convert yourselves. When the promised sign on the hill will be given, it will be too late», (Sept. 2, 1982). Another time she also said, «And even after I've left this sign on the hill which I have promised to you, many will not believe. They will come to the hill, they will kneel, but they won't believe» (July 19, 1981). Why is it, in your opinion, that people will see the sign but they won't convert?
VICKA The third secret is about a sign that she will leave here [Medjugorje] on the mountain of the apparitions. This sign will remain forever. It is given above for all for those people who are still far away from God. The Madonna wishes to give these people who will see the sign a chance to believe in God. I was able to see this sign...
PADRE LIVIO You have already seen the sign?
VICKA Yes, I saw it in a vision.
PADRE LIVIO Jakov once said in an interview with Radio Maria that in order to see the sign it will be necessary to come here to Medjugorje, is that true?
VICKA Yes, it's true. The sign will remain on Podbrdo and one will have to come here to see it. This sign will be indestructable and will remain in that place forever. I want to say about those people who will see it and not believe, the Madonna leaves everyone free to believe or not but those are ones whose hearts are too closed. It's the same thing as the Madonna said to us, "if one wants to go to heaven, he will go to heaven, if one wants to go to hell he will go to hell". Those people who are far away from God and do not want to believe, these will not believe in the sign. For those who [do not know God] but have good intentions and a desire to love, these will be benefitted by the sign. But I think that those who do everything against God, they will run away from the sign, they will not believe.
PADRE LIVIO [...] So, this is a time of grace, this is the time of conversion, "don't wait for the sign in order to convert yourselves" the Madonna said. Well, so why leave a sign like some last extreme help: is it in order to move the Church to recognize the apparitions as authentic?
VICKA Yes, certainly it will be for the Church so that they will have no doubt that the Madonna had been among us and it is also for those who are still far away from God. So the Madonna is thinking about both groups of people, and then it is up to us how to be ready to respond to the sign. To respond to her call through the sign. Everyone who comes, who will see, you know, you can say "I don't believe it" and that is your personal idea, that's what you believe, but that the Madonna is here, that she is present, that she leaves this sign, a sign that no man can make; it is something only God can make and so nobody will be able to say that it is a small thing or something else. This arrives in such a way that they won't have words to say what it is.
About the promise one visionary will remain with apparitions:
PADRE LIVIO This means that when the time of the secrets comes, the fourth through the tenth secrets, secrets which are evidently rather arduous, it means that in any event, in the time of the secrets, we will always have the sign of the Madonna which will comfort us
But you also said the last time, last year, that during the time of the ten secrets one of the seers will still have the daily apparitions [of the Madonna].
VICKA Yes, it is certain, it is something I repeat now. We will see who it is, there is still me, Marija and Jakov afterwards we will see who the Madonna has chosen, who [of us three] remains with the apparitions. Or maybe it will be someone else that the Madonna has chosen.
PADRE LIVIO Well, you know me, I have no scruple about asking certain questions...
So, you, Marija and Ivan... one you three with Jakov. Someone said something to Mirjana like "Vicka said that during the time of the ten secrets there will be one seer who will continue to have the daily apparitions" but Mirjana said that she didn't know anything about this. What does that mean? That this was told to you personally by the Madonna?
VICKA Yes the Madonna told me personally. Afterwards we shall see, the Madonna didn't say, "Vicka, it will be you" [...]. Now we just wait to see who it will be. She said that when the time comes, to the person who will continue to have the apparitions, she will explain every 'how and what' to that person.
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